# Huel version 2.0 is now live! **URL:** \ **Category:** Huel Updates\ **Created:** [July 22, 2016, 4:04pm UTC](https://discuss.huel.com/t/huel-version-2-0-is-now-live/3254 "2016-07-22T16:04:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Gulliver\_Huel](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/discuss.huel.com/gulliver_huel/32/1029_2.png) [@Gulliver\_Huel](https://discuss.huel.com/u/Gulliver_Huel)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 12:20pm UTC](https://discuss.huel.com/t/huel-version-2-0-is-now-live/3254/202 "2016-08-16T12:20:44Z")
> [@thipochuso](#): > > I have it on a good source that Huel 2.0 will be with us for at least 10 more months, since that is the length of the contract Huel has made with its suppliers of salt and sodium fluoride. This is not true in the slightest. We have no contract with any suppliers of salt or sodium. ---
**Author:** ![JJMC](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/discuss.huel.com/jjmc/32/440_2.png) [@JJMC](https://discuss.huel.com/u/JJMC)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 12:48pm UTC](https://discuss.huel.com/t/huel-version-2-0-is-now-live/3254/204 "2016-08-16T12:48:11Z")
My water supply is fluoridated (good old Northumbrian Water) so unless I spit the tap water back out (or purchase separate non-fluoridated water) I’m ingesting it. Does your area add fluoride to water? Filtering in general does not remove fluoride. Additionally I’m reading articles that suggest sports drinks, beers, wines, processed drinks, processed foods are all sources of fluoride ingestion. Also teflon / non-stick coated pans should be avoided and stainless steel used instead. Whilst personally I’m not exactly bathing in it, but for the past near 49 years I’ve been ingesting it probably every day, exceeding suggested levels but have lovely teeth to show for it, I cannot really avoid it in one form or another. That given I have decided that I will not be avoiding Huel V2.0 either. ---
**Author:** ![Kizeree](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/discuss.huel.com/kizeree/32/1012_2.png) [@Kizeree](https://discuss.huel.com/u/Kizeree)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 12:50pm UTC](https://discuss.huel.com/t/huel-version-2-0-is-now-live/3254/205 "2016-08-16T12:50:51Z")
So, how long will 2.0 be around? When will we know if the salt level will be altered or not, and the fluoride removed or not? It appears many of us don’t want 2.0 as it stands. I would love to have a longstanding subscription for myself and my husband, but the salt and fluoride are putting me off. I’d just like to know if/when changes will be made so I can either make my own, find a different provider or just go back to solid food. ---
**Author:** ![t00sp00ky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@t00sp00ky](https://discuss.huel.com/u/t00sp00ky)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 1:45pm UTC](https://discuss.huel.com/t/huel-version-2-0-is-now-live/3254/206 "2016-08-16T13:45:20Z")
I didn’t think Huel manufactured Huel… if that makes sense. I thought the Huel came up with the formula and had it manufactured for them. So all they have to do is reformulate it and get rid of whatever they ordered. ---
**Author:** ![ElMerlo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/discuss.huel.com/elmerlo/32/53_2.png) [@ElMerlo](https://discuss.huel.com/u/ElMerlo)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 3:01pm UTC](https://discuss.huel.com/t/huel-version-2-0-is-now-live/3254/207 "2016-08-16T15:01:53Z")
My two cents in this “worrying” thread. I am an avid Huel consumer since the days of 1.0. The transition to 1.2 was pain-free, and helped getting rid of the lumps (I actually liked them here and there…) but reading this thread I see: - fluoride - (too much) salt - taste significantly changed. To me, this was enough to cancel my subscription, as, at the time of writing, there are no exhaustive answers from the staff. I will order, maybe, a sample of the new version, but I don’t see the point to make all the changes that were made. It just made me look for alternatives. If the product was (nearly) perfect and nobody complained, why change? ---
**Author:** ![ruipacheco](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/discuss.huel.com/ruipacheco/32/956_2.png) [@ruipacheco](https://discuss.huel.com/u/ruipacheco)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 4:38pm UTC](https://discuss.huel.com/t/huel-version-2-0-is-now-live/3254/208 "2016-08-16T16:38:17Z")
Can you provide evidence? ---
**Author:** ![Marcus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/discuss.huel.com/marcus/32/11457_2.png) [@Marcus](https://discuss.huel.com/u/Marcus)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 4:42pm UTC](https://discuss.huel.com/t/huel-version-2-0-is-now-live/3254/209 "2016-08-16T16:42:26Z")
Regarding the salt issue, thinking back to last year, some people were actually asking whether extra salt could be added. There was a question over whether people were not getting enough salt. For a while I was getting headaches and wondered if this was due to lack of salt. It was something that James was looking at for a long time, so it wasn’t just a sudden decision. That being said, I do think it has too much salt now. ---
**Author:** ![rikefrejut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ba9def/32.png) [@rikefrejut](https://discuss.huel.com/u/rikefrejut)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2016, 4:17pm UTC](https://discuss.huel.com/t/huel-version-2-0-is-now-live/3254/210 "2016-08-17T16:17:08Z")
It is a pity that the issue with salt and fluoride has completely overtaken this thread - there are so few comments about lutein/zeaxanthin/lycopene, the reduction in vitamin/mineral amounts, the ratio of omega-6 to omega-3, xylitol, and the replacement of folic acid. I would very much like to know people’s thoughts about those too, because I can only do so much of my own searching and investigations. ---
**Author:** ![huelzcool](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/discuss.huel.com/huelzcool/32/1193_2.png) [@huelzcool](https://discuss.huel.com/u/huelzcool)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2016, 8:30pm UTC](https://discuss.huel.com/t/huel-version-2-0-is-now-live/3254/211 "2016-08-17T20:30:30Z")
There is good reason why these two issues have dominated discussion. Either on their own potentially **render Huel unusable** for sizeable groups of users -To make _two_ “breaking changes” at once is incredible. The addition of phytonutrients with evidence for their merits is great but it’s an interesting path to wander down as there are literally trillions of phytochemicals - we know very little about which ones have an affect on our health and to what extent (if any). Presumably by adding powdered whole-foods like tomatoes (without being able to isolate the Lycopene specifically) this will change the balance of other nutrients (micro-nutrients in particular). I don’t like to think that the core Huel formula is so fragile that the addition of a few new phytonutrients will change the ingredients balance on every new release. The substitution of seemingly more available ingredients is a noble idea. But that could also be a game of whack-a-mole. The Xylitol/Maltodextrin thing was pretty trivial in terms of quantity but an improvement nonetheless. It’s changes like this that I’d hope are “locked in” now - i.e. they will be changed very very rarely - and only for good reason. I don’t know enough to comment on the Omega-3 and 6 ratios. **TLDR** - if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Don’t make loads of changes to the formula at once. Don’t arbitrarily release a new formula every couple of months without any prior warning. It’d be nice to asymptotically approach a theoretical “final formula” - i.e. less changes occur over time. We’re getting the opposite of that. ---
**Author:** ![t00sp00ky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@t00sp00ky](https://discuss.huel.com/u/t00sp00ky)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2016, 9:08pm UTC](https://discuss.huel.com/t/huel-version-2-0-is-now-live/3254/212 "2016-08-17T21:08:34Z")
Dont forget Carrageenan! ---
**Author:** ![huelzcool](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/discuss.huel.com/huelzcool/32/1193_2.png) [@huelzcool](https://discuss.huel.com/u/huelzcool)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2016, 9:21pm UTC](https://discuss.huel.com/t/huel-version-2-0-is-now-live/3254/213 "2016-08-17T21:21:18Z")
My only issue with Carrageenan is this move towards adding needless thickeners. There is nothing wrong if your liquid separates - just shake it and drink it. Why does everything have to achieve a pristine aesthetic - it’ll be an absolute mess in your stomach in a second anyway! ---
**Author:** ![bogn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e495f1/32.png) [@bogn](https://discuss.huel.com/u/bogn)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 5:35am UTC](https://discuss.huel.com/t/huel-version-2-0-is-now-live/3254/214 "2016-08-18T05:35:27Z")
I have also skipped my current 16bag/2month subscription shipment looking forward to the Huel team properly addressing the issues raised by the community. The fact that the reasoning isn’t properly explained after so much time is more worrying to me than the changes in the Huel formula themselves. Huel team in the near past has been so eager to answer all community questions and now I feel like they avoid to address the most serious of concerns I’ve seen raised since last year when I began being a customer. ---
**Author:** ![Raymondcal](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/discuss.huel.com/raymondcal/32/138_2.png) [@Raymondcal](https://discuss.huel.com/u/Raymondcal)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 8:17am UTC](https://discuss.huel.com/t/huel-version-2-0-is-now-live/3254/215 "2016-08-18T08:17:05Z")
> [@huelzcool](#): > > Why does everything have to achieve a pristine aesthetic Because haters and trollers, who think they own the company, always whine and complain… To hard for them to shake, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![nykampmp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c77e96/32.png) [@nykampmp](https://discuss.huel.com/u/nykampmp)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 8:20am UTC](https://discuss.huel.com/t/huel-version-2-0-is-now-live/3254/216 "2016-08-18T08:20:07Z")
Exactly. I’ve never understood why liquid separating freaks so many people out. Mine separates every single day into 3 parts. Top is a weird brown clear liquid where my coffee is, next layer is the majority of Huel and the bottom is large bits of oats etc. Quick shake and it’s all sorted. ---
**Author:** ![Raymondcal](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/discuss.huel.com/raymondcal/32/138_2.png) [@Raymondcal](https://discuss.huel.com/u/Raymondcal)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 8:26am UTC](https://discuss.huel.com/t/huel-version-2-0-is-now-live/3254/217 "2016-08-18T08:26:46Z")
I really, really like Huel 2.0 as it is, so thank you, team, good game, don’t change anything. Please, trollers, haters and paranoids, stop whining and snivelling. Get out, fork the recipe if you want, buy other products, get a life, but please, STOP. ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/uploads/huel/original/2X/a/a9850afd273a5f9c37026d54190abf4df6357c65.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![craigstone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/discuss.huel.com/craigstone/32/1155_2.png) [@craigstone](https://discuss.huel.com/u/craigstone)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 9:11am UTC](https://discuss.huel.com/t/huel-version-2-0-is-now-live/3254/218 "2016-08-18T09:11:01Z")
I think you mean “paying customers who care about what they put into their bodies, who are asking reasonable questions in a space designed for them to ask those questions.” It’s not _trolling_ to respond to a thread in an honest way, it’s not _hate_ to ask why the salt levels have gone up, it’s not _paranoia_ to discuss possibilities in the light of no clear answers, it’s not _snivelling_ to check the salt levels within Huel and reason solutions. It’s how the product improves. It’s how the business grows. It’s how we all drink more Huel, and tell our friends to drink it too. We all love Huel, we are all paying customers - hence the understandable debate when the product changes. This isn’t the army, we aren’t here to follow orders: debate and questions are good. ---
**Author:** ![Raymondcal](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/discuss.huel.com/raymondcal/32/138_2.png) [@Raymondcal](https://discuss.huel.com/u/Raymondcal)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 9:16am UTC](https://discuss.huel.com/t/huel-version-2-0-is-now-live/3254/219 "2016-08-18T09:16:43Z")
No. A company offers a product, you like or not, you buy it or not. But you can’t act as if you were the boss or the designer of the product. A company can’t respond to _everyone_ whim, fear or preference, it’s _impossible_. ---
**Author:** ![nykampmp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c77e96/32.png) [@nykampmp](https://discuss.huel.com/u/nykampmp)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 9:28am UTC](https://discuss.huel.com/t/huel-version-2-0-is-now-live/3254/220 "2016-08-18T09:28:08Z")
While this is true, companies also need to listen to customer feedback. They don’t necessarily need to act on it but alarm bells should sound when you see overwhelming feedback AGAINST the changes you’ve made. Saying all that I bet Huel is selling just as well as ever and if sales are good then I doubt anything will change. ---
**Author:** ![craigstone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/discuss.huel.com/craigstone/32/1155_2.png) [@craigstone](https://discuss.huel.com/u/craigstone)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 9:35am UTC](https://discuss.huel.com/t/huel-version-2-0-is-now-live/3254/221 "2016-08-18T09:35:27Z")
This is a forum. 82% of the people on this forum have said they wish for the SF to be reviewed. This is not a _whim_. The RDA for salt intake is 6%, this isn’t a _preference_ - it’s a fact. _Fear_ is born from the unknown, while we are debating statistics and facts (eg actual content). Ghostwatch, BBC’s 1992 live Halloween documentary, where “Mr Pipes” appeared and then re-appeared before attacking Sarah Green in the basement was full of _fear_. This is simply a forum for a tasty and healthy drink. To debate, discuss and question. ---
**Author:** ![Raymondcal](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/discuss.huel.com/raymondcal/32/138_2.png) [@Raymondcal](https://discuss.huel.com/u/Raymondcal)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 9:41am UTC](https://discuss.huel.com/t/huel-version-2-0-is-now-live/3254/222 "2016-08-18T09:41:34Z")
Trollers here are not on this forum to debate. They are here to bend Huel company to their own will, and they won’t stop to attack and attack again, until they succeed. (and this is 82% _of the voters_, actually) [Previous page](https://discuss.huel.com/t/huel-version-2-0-is-now-live/3254.md?page=10) [Next page](https://discuss.huel.com/t/huel-version-2-0-is-now-live/3254.md?page=12)