So my weekly Friday bacon bap is going to be taxed more because some fat people are eating too many calories?
I didnāt say that. But it is an unhealthy food, the International Agency for Research on Cancer has classified processed red meat such as bacon and sausages as a carcinogen. Booze and fags are taxed, so this should be too.
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God I am craving for a Bacon bap now 
The āultra-processedā classification does seem a bit broad, if I understand correctly. For example, breakfast cereals:
Do All-Bran (87% wheat bran, 11g fibre per 40g serving) and Oatibix (97% wholegrain oats) rank exactly as bad as āMarshmallow-Choco-Sugar Flakesā?
Nanny state is the future.
Actually, it is the present. Have you not been paying attention?
Anyway, where did I mention fat people? Booze and fags arenāt exclusively enjoyed by fat people.
If Iām not fat and I enjoy a bit of bacon and a bit of sausage, why should I be taxed for those who canāt help but abuse these things?
Coffee is a āprobable carcinogenā according to the WHO. Chips are the same due to the acrylamide.
Youāre aiming at sausage and bacon because you have a vegan prejudice against these productsā¦
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Why didnāt you say what you mean? Youād be rubbish on Catchphrase.
Canāt I ask you exactly the same question back?
Go ahead, but Iām being encouraged to ask other people to get involved.
Interesting topic
I have been questioning how healthy huel actually is myself recently
Its clearly an ultra high processed food, which isnt great to start with
I feel its false advertising actually. That cup with the delicious looking coconut, vibrant peas etc, literally none of that is in huel, its all just processed powders milled and mixed together with a multivitamin thrown in.
For example, big chunks of coconut, there is no coconut in there what so ever, and certainly not big chunks, it has mct oil powder, and it makes up roughly 1% of the contents so a miniscule amount
The vibrant peasā¦not present at all, what has happened is a pea has been processed, had its protein extracted and turned into a powder, the rest discarded
Same for the rest of it
Then the sources of the ingredients come into question on top of that. Huel sources cheapest first, not healthiest first.
Oats as an example, huel is almost 50% oat powder (which is dirt cheap anyway), and its bought from China. China has a well earned reputation of lacking in any kind of health conscious thinking, simply interested in profit and will lie and deceive to get that profit. So can it even be trusted to be of good quality ? On another note why not just buy it from the UK and help the UK economy
I know if i went to a supermarket to look for that food product and there was one made in China and one made in the UK i certainly wouldnt touch the Chinese version.
So in conclusion
I see a bunch of highly processed powders, from places such as China, bought in, milled together, throw in a multi vitamin and call it a health food. How can that be ?
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If onlyā¦
The advert is just to show the main sources of the ingredients in Huel, itās a graphical representation, but I can appreciate your point of view so apologies if you feel it is misleading.
This is simply untrue. Huel has a specific nutritional profile and so we have rigorous standards to be met. These standards can only be met by certain suppliers and depends on where the crop is grown and a variety of other factors. For example itās why the flaxseed comes from Canada. You can see some of our quality and safety controls here: Huel Food Safety and Quality Controls
The oats in Huel come from the U.K.
You can see more about how Huel is produced and where the ingredients come from here: Food processing steps of Huel
The processing in Huel is really minimal on top of this there isnāt an issue of sourcing ingredients from China, I feel this is some sort of media scare, especially when we have a variety of quality and safety procedures in place.
You can see why Huel is not a multivitamin and where the vitamins and minerals come from here: Essential vitamins and minerals in Huel
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Youre making it appear like your product consists of a collection of items, but none of those are even present. Surely that is false advertising ?
Ok i misspoke, the oat powder is from the UK but the pea protein powder is from China, the brown rice powder is from China, the mct powder is from China ā¦ to say that its just media scare mongering about Chinas terrible reputation in pretty much anything health related is just totally incorrect and well documented
Huel is made up of almost exclusively highly processed stuff, which is then processed again and mixed together to form huel. What are the variety of quality and safety procedure in place ? I remember a topic not too long ago where the safety certificates hadnt been updated in years. No one on huel had even noticed either, it was only because forum members brought it to your attention and kicked up a fuss that anything was done. So evidently you guys are very lax with any safety checks
I didnt say huel was a multi vitamin i said it was a bunch of processed powders with an added multi vitamin, which it is
The Oats are from the UK, there are other main ingredients sourced from China thoughā¦
Oat: UK
Flaxseed Powder: Canada
Sunflower Oil: India
Pea Protein: China
Brown Rice Protein: China
MCT Powder: China
China may not have the best reputation generally but a heck of a lot of products are made there and itās not inconceivable that Huel have found some producers with quality ingredients that are as good as what theyād find here.
And letās not forget that Huel are mixing products around the world now (with facilities in the USA, UK and Austria I believe) so using ālocalā ingredients would mean finding suppliers in each region and both losing the benefits of buying at scale and ending up with very different products around the world.
That said, itād be interesting to work out just how far Huel travels before reaching the consumer and Iād be curious to know the food miles for a bag of powder.
You know ive just googled
āBuying food from Chinaā
Not one article says its a good idea, infact, they have a plethora of reasons why you shouldnt
One of many many articles, from filthy growing conditions, tonnes of contaminants, pesticides, random added things, and even outright fake food
China is such a low rate country for anything to do with health
What is the reason you guys buy the majority of your products from this place ?
Iām not a fan of that website has it doesnāt use any sources. There are some high profile and plenty of cases of Chinaās issue with fraudulent food Iām not disputing that. What Iām disputing is tarring an entire country of over 1 billion people and its exports with the same brush.
What Iām saying is the ingredients in Huel are simply not an issue to the processes we have in place and the suppliers we use. We donāt select any old supplier they have to meet our standards from quality right through to nutrition. All our suppliers are BRC accredited and can be subject to external and unannounced audits.
Check out the link provided above. Iām aware of the topic you are talking about. The certificates have been updated on our website, however, be aware the certificates on the website are very unlikely to be the most up-to-date. We regularly test our ingredients and products itās why we have quality and technical teams. Our website is not to provide constant safety and quality reports for consumers, that would not be productive or helpful to anyone. What it does show is our transparency to our consumers, which I believe goes above and beyond that of many other companies and also shows some of the procedures we have in place.
In the link provided it explains why Huel does not contain a multivitamin and the differences. The highlights are:
- Not taken once a day
- In amounts found in food
- Accounting for the interactions between other nutrients
I guess what Iām trying to get at is if you feel Huel is highly processed, why do you think this is an issue or health concern?
Thatās a great question to ask Tristan. We are working on our sustainability reporting to you guys. There are many factors involved and food miles is just one of them. You may find this interesting: the impact of the lowest-impact animal products typically exceeds those of the highest-impact vegetable substitutes. For example this means that using any plant milk, from any corner of the earth, is better than cowās milk in terms of environmental impact.
You can see more here: http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6392/987
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Oh absolutely Dan. Food Miles are definitely only part of the picture and though helpful on an individual basis to prompt people to buy local (eg using an independent butchers/grocers over a supermarket) itās not something that should be focused on in isolation.
It is something thatās important to me though and is the main reason I havenāt tried your RTD yet. For me personally; producing in the US and shipping to the UK for sale is just too much.
Case closed everyone, pack up your things, Science 1-0 Huel
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Thatās completely fair. We are working on it so in the near future you will be able to make an informed decision.
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