Ground flaxseed and cyanide

Hello,

Is there any update on this issue, where can I find the article?

As I understand from this thread, the only answer to the posed question:

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but you are selling a product that if used as a total meal replacement (as you market it) means ingesting 9-12mg of cyanide per day when the European Food Safety Authority has established the Acute Reference Dose to not exceed approximately 1-2 mg per person, per day. Is this statement true, or false?

is that “you don’t market it as a total meal replacement”, and that is a little bit worrying at least to me.

The article isn’t finished yet. We want to make sure we cover everything so we don’t get challenged.

The article will be linked to on the forum when it goes live.

Good luck with that :stuck_out_tongue:

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Bump!
Is there any update?

I’m also interested in this article… I’ve failed to find satisfying scientific evidence for/against eating ground flaxseed. However there are many recommendations out there to avoid consuming it if possible. In these cases it is generally better to be safe than sorry - until there are no longer a discussion made up by opinions but rather evidence and facts to lean against.

Cyanice poisoning is acute, it doesn’t build up over time. I do 1500-2000kcal Huel a day and I’m still alive… I think. That’s good enough for me.

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Apparently cyanide poisoning can be chronic too. For example this source Cyanide Poisoning: Symptoms, Treatment, Complications, and More says :

Chronic cyanide poisoning can occur if you’re exposed to 20 to 40 parts per million (ppm) of hydrogen cyanide gas over a substantial period of time.

and this one https://www.emedicinehealth.com/cyanide_poisoning/article_em.htm :

An acute ingestion of cyanide will have a dramatic, rapid onset, immediately affecting the heart and causing sudden collapse, a seizure, or coma. Chronic poisoning from ingestion or the environment has a more gradual onset.

I’m not saying Huel has loads of cyanide in it, but if it (or anything else) had enough for it to build up to high enough levels then it could cause some pretty nasty symptoms over time.

There’s more negative news on flaxseeds then any other ingredient.
Why not simply replace it with hemp seeds? Or other seeds?

@JamesCollier

I’d really appreciate if Huel looked into replacing Flaxseeds with other seeds.

They have looked into it and concluded they don’t see an issue. Whether you agree with that position or not is your choice but that is their position.

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‘Simply’?!

Hemp has a completely different nutritional profile to flaxseed. You’d need about 4 times the amount to get a close omega-3 amount. That would throw all the macros off and would mean a complete reformulation and Huel would cease to be Huel. Moreover, hemp has a strong taste, to the flavour would need a complete reformualtion and could need more sweetener. Plus, hemp seeds are not milled so finely = gritty mouthfeel.

We have looked and continue to look at alternative ingredients all the time. But I refuse to worsen Huel’s nutrition due to listening to the pseudoscience minority. The omega-3:6 ratio of Huel is one of the nutritional points I’m particualrly proud of.

The only ‘viable’ alternative from a nutriitonal perspective are chia seeds, but these are very expensive so the price of Huel would go up for zero benefit other than to keep a few people happy.

This flaxseed article needs to come out asap. Apologies - I am a bottle-neck for some projects at the moment.

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Just out of curiosity how much more would a bag of Huel cost if you replaced flax with chia?

@JamesCollier

They’d still whinge James, don’t forget about the phytoestrogens, they’re in chia too, so that would still be a go to complaint… You just can’t please some people. There is no dietary perfection, close as huel is.

On a side note, if you need any information on flax, phytoestrogens and how they ‘simply’ don’t cause an issue for men then PM me, I might be able to offer some knowledge, or dig up some studies I’ve found in the past (although I think I’ve posted most on here anyway), it’s funny I don’t normally get opportunities to talk about hormones outside of the topics niche circle…!

I’m sure you’ve got it covered though! :slightly_smiling_face:

I don’t know because I’d have to rejig the formula as the macros are different, then we’d have to look for a bulk supplier

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Of course, TBH I haven’t really looked into the negatives of chia in detail!

Thanks for the offer, I’ll let you know.

Oh lord how is this thread still going?

Cyanide leaves the body very quickly and is usually undetectable in the body within a few hours. Because of the following factors: small amount of cyanide that may come from eating flaxseeds, the relatively slow speed of digestion and the rate at which it enters the body, and the body’s ability to remove cyanide quickly - it doesn’t get anywhere near a high enough level to cause harm.

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How do you make a hormone…oh never mind.

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From my personal studies I think the issues with flax seed and cyanide are exacerbated if you wear a tinfoil hat, and dangle your legs off the edge of the flat earth we live on.

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Where is that article? /Concerned Swede looking to defend my use of Huel and being knowledgeable in the matter.
Why don’t you conduct a thorough investigation, through an unbiased third party of course :slight_smile:

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I just want to add that calling the Swedish Food and Safety agency for pseudoscience has lost you a customer.

I’m sorry to hear this. But my feeling about the science they’ve based these findings on remain.

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