Could do with some keto Huel :)

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Breakthrough: compound generated by low carb/low-calorie diet blocks effects of aging « Kurzweil

Scientists have identified a novel mechanism by which a type of low-carb, low-calorie diet — called a “ketogenic diet” — could delay the effects of aging: the compound β-hydroxybutyrate (βOHB), a “ketone body” that is generated during a prolonged low-calorie or ketogenic diet.

Low-carb diets, fasting and euphoria: Is there a link between ketosis and gamma-hydroxybutyrate (GHB)? - PubMed

‘Anecdotal evidence links the initial phase of fasting or a low-carbohydrate diet with feelings of well-being and mild euphoria. These feelings have often been attributed to ketosis, the production of ketone bodies which can replace glucose as an energy source for the brain. One of these ketone bodies, beta-hydroxybutyrate (BHB), is an isomer of the notorious drug of abuse, GHB (gamma-hydroxybutyrate). GHB is also of interest in relation to its potential as a treatment for alcohol and opiate dependence and narcolepsy-associated cataplexy’

New user so I can’t post more than two links. Just google that if you’re interested: ‘GHB’s little brother makes low-carb diet enjoyable’

I’ve thought these sort of diets were fads but the evidence seems to be there that a low carb diet could do wonders for your wellbeing, mental clarity, or just someone for who is suffering from depression.

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I’d try out a genuine ketogenic diet before dedicating yourself to a keto Huel. It’s pretty rough and not for everyone.

I attempted it previously and it made me feel awful, so lethargic and down.

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There is also a lot of evidence saying that ketogenic diets are harmful. There is very much conflicting information, so do not take everything you read as certainty.

There’s also a big difference between a keto diet and a low carb diet.

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most people on keto can do 20 carbs i recommend checking out dr.berg if you have any worries about i he debunks lots of myths about keto and also points out what nutrients people are deficient in if they suffer from certain ailments there’s definitely a high demand for Atkins and keto type diets potassium and vitamin B2 and B12 are most important. I’d 100% back a product of this type. A lot of people that do keto and benefit do it with Intermittent fasting as well.

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Untrue. There is no evidence that ketogenic diets are harmful. The current dietary guidelines of high carb diets is what is dangerous. It was introduced in 1977 due to research by Ancel Keys and it’s a flawed association study. After it was introduced diseases such as obesity, diabetes and heart attacks exploded. It was introduced without a proper scientific study on it. Meanwhile the low carb diet (keto/banting/atkins etc) was used to treat diabetes before the new advice. It’s not a new fad, not a new thing. Getting 40% of your energy from carbs is the new thing and it’s why there are so much health issues now.

Low carb diets are now even being used to reverse diabetes, which if going by the common accepted advice, that’s impossible. The current advice says diabetes is incurable and can only be managed. But the low carb diet shows it’s possible. There was even a documentary on last nights BBC showing it.

Eating carbs (and let’s clarify, digestible carbs, carbs from fibre don’t count and are good for you) floods your blood system with highly elevated levels of glucose (whether you ate sugar or starch it all breaks down to glucose in the blood stream). Then your body sends out insulin to get your body to act on these molecules. Too much insulin over a long period of time will damage your body and you become insulin resistant. So your body sends our more and more. People even get insulin pens to inject their bodies with more insulin since the amount the body provides isn’t enough over time. So it seems obvious that the best solution is to stop eating stuff that causes insulin. Basically stop eating carbs.

Carbs is the only one of the 3 macro nutrients that your body doesn’t need. You can’t survive without eating any fat or protein but we can exist without eating carbs. To have it as the main component of a nutrition bar flies in the face of that. The only carbs it should have is fibre.

Read up on the trial of Professor Tim Noakes who is also a famous sports nutritionist. He used to espose the same advice everyone grew up with, hwich is to eat more carbs. But then he found the studies were never actually done and there is no evidence at all that a high carb diet is good for. The more he looked the studies showed the opposite. That people with risk of heart disease and those with diabetes all improved on LCHF diets. He then started giving that advice. But the medical board and other groups took him on an expensive 2 year trial. In the end more evidence came out and he won. It’s a interesting read.

TL;DR There is no evidence that a LCHF diet is harmful (if anything evidence that it’s beneficial). And there was no evidence a HCLF (the current guidelines) was any good.

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Are you linking carbs to obesity?

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So I’ll preface this comment by saying I’m a huge proponent of keto and it in no small part contributes to my profession as well as my lifestyle, but if the situation was honestly as cut and dry as your post makes out, then there would be no debate and every nutrition board would recommend a ketogenic lifestyle.

Yes, Ancel Keys’ research was flawed (some argue deliberately, others don’t), and yes, in some with type 2 diabetes, as the BBC documentary you reference suggested, keto can lead to a reversal in those symptoms (though to be accurate the documentary never referenced keto so much as low-carb). However, that does not mean that a) keto is the best dietary choice for everyone, or b) that it has no issues.

The best dietary choice for anyone is the one which they can stick to and that allows them to maintain a healthy weight (and gain muscle mass if they so choose). For some, this will be a diet with a high percentage of carbohydrates, and whole grains such as oats do have plenty of micronutrients which come with obvious health benefits.

Additionally, for a casual dieter, keto can be extremely difficult. Now admittedly, a lot of the reasons why could be mitigates via a nutritionally-complete ketogenic meal replacement (which would allow keto flu to at least be minimised if not eliminated entirely), but even with that aside, there are those for whom a fully ketogenic diet would not be appropriate. A brief example of this would be the small subset of the population who are sensitive to dietary cholesterol; whilst more recent research suggests the majority of people’s cholesterol levels are not really impacted by dietary cholesterol or saturated fat intake, a small subset do have such an effect. Due to the prevalence of saturated fats in a typical ketogenic diet (which for the majority are completely harmless, I hasten to add), this dietary type would not be suitable for them.

Getting 40% of energy from carbs is not the reason there are health issues now. The main dietary reasons for that are a) people are getting a large proportion of their calories from refined carbs and simple sugars which break down quickly, and b) our PUFA intake (specifically omega 6) and omega 3 to omega 6 ratio are awful nowadays, leading to many inflammatory diseases. Getting 40% of your energy from whole grains and fruit is unlikely to do any harm; getting it from chocolate eclairs and biscuits will do.

You are correct that carbs are the only one of the 3 macronutrients your body doesn’t need (well, to be more precise you don’t need the 4th macronutrient, alcohol, either, but it’s obvious what you meant), but that doesn’t mean they’re inherently harmful either. Some types absolutely are, but then so are some fats (trans fats).

Again, I massively advocate for keto, but it isn’t for everyone, and the evidence for LCHF vs HCLF certainly isn’t as clear cut as your post makes it out to be.

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Keto is great for burning fat and certain health problems, even curing them all together. The biggest issue is most people just eliminate carbs and then forget to add a lot of fat or over do the protein.

Keto Huel would be amazing!!

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Damn - I read all the way through before I realised keto is not short for ketamine :joy::joy:

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Listen to Joe Rogan and Dr Rhonda Patrick talk about the Keto doet. It makes perfect sense.

Ketamin would be a great anti-depressant aid (Even if was just placebo)

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there are some DIY recipes for Ketogenic and Weight Loss soylent shakes

… or use huel, and add more protein and fat

endomorph bodytype = LCHF, keto, atkins = 25:35:40 CPF energy ratio.
mesomorph bodytype = zone diet, huel = 40:30:30 CPF energy ratio.
ectomorph bodytype = HCLF = 55:25:20 CPF energy ratio

im a mix of mesomorph and ectomorph, so with huel, im always hungry for carbs

most fast food is high carb, because carbs are the cheapest ingredient

low fat products are made for ectomorph bodytypes, but stupid endomorphs think “fat makes fat” and confuse “low fat” with “weight loss”

in theory, 50% of all people are mesomorph, 25% are endomorph, 25% are ectomorph … maybe thats why huel chose the mesomorph ratio

endomorph bodytype + high carb diet = rapid weight gain.
naturally, this is useful in hard climates with long winters

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To my knowledge there is only one condition where keto diets might be beneficial: Epileptic seizures. Ketone bodies seem to protect against that. And even despite of this fact it is only recommended in therapy resistent cases where nothing else helps, as it is a rather extreme diet.

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Unfortunately there’s no evidence for a hard and fast rules like this. The macronutrient ratio really doesn’t matter that much compared to the quality of those macronutrient sources that you’re consuming.

If you find that that you’re always hungry for carbs that’s cool, I wouldn’t tie it to the above though.

More fast foods are an almost even mix of carbs and fats - french fries and doughnuts are good examples of this!

Yeap totally agree and annoyingly we’re not entirely sure why!